Volume 5 - Issue 07
Discipline and Conscience
Ac: What to do with a devotee who is making friction in a Center?
SAI: Out. Put them out.
H (Hislop): Our discipline is very strict in the American Centers. That is correct.
SAI: Sai's English has improved?
H: Yes, Swami. It is greatly improved.
H: An important statement of Swami's is that we should ignore the faults of others. But how does one put this into practice? If one is dealing with a person, the fault must be taken into account; the fault may ruin the situation.
SAI: Inside himself, the person is not like that. He knows he is wrong. If the fault is being expressed, move away from the person, keep a distance. Then the person will see he is wrong and will approach you in repentance.
SAI: What counts is faith. Faith is of great importance. God should be installed in every thought and act. There may be a person who is the owner of a house. A tenant may be taken into the house, and year after year the tenant may pay the rent. At last, after many years of paying the rent, the tenant owns the house.
H: Why would that be?
SAI: The owner might say, "The house is mine." But the tenant will reply, "No. The house is now mine." That is the law.
H: Is that the law in this situation?
SAI: Yes. It is the same with the Lord. He is the "renter." Your body and mind is the "house." Once you have brought Him into the house and installed Him there, in due course, He is the "owner." The house no longer belongs to "you." It is now the dwelling of God. It is fully "owned" by Him.
H: Swami! That is wonderful! That is the way to come to the point of "Surrender to the Lord." By keeping Baba in heart and mind, gradually and naturally, there is full surrender.
SAI: Yes, it comes to be quite naturally. But not everyone is able to do it. Devotion and faith need be very strong.
H: But cannot everyone make a start?
SAI: Yes, certainly, a start can be made.
H: May I tell this to our Sai Centers in America?
SAI: You may tell.
SAI: There are three kinds of liberation. It is experienced in one type of Samadhi. Then, a person who is engaged in Sadhana can suddenly - like a flash of lightening - have a clear vision of the Truth, but it fades and ordinary life resumes. Liberation cannot be permanent without total surrender.
H: Then, if not the people in the Himalayas, who are the Superhumans?
SAI: (Naming half a dozen or so of the ancient sages) These people were totally above human and worldly life, although for the benefit of others, they would give certain advice and engage in certain actions.
H: But that was long ago. Are there Superhumans in this day and age?
SAI: Oh, yes, there are. But today, outwardly, they live in Society and outwardly cannot be recognized.
H: What is the Cosmic stage?
SAI: No body, no mind. Both have disappeared. Body, feelings, mind, intelligence are no longer there. Just love, just spirituality.
H: Are there entities, individuals, in the Cosmic stage?
SAI: No. No individuals. More similar to currents of spiritual power.
H: One of Swami's statements is not understood. Swami has said that man is born with a dual gift from God - Discrimination and Conscience. And that because of conscience, everyone knows right from wrong; for, if he were to do wrong, his conscience would trouble him.
SAI: Yes, that is the case.
H: But people point out, Swami, that people of one religion kill people of another religion, and they do it because their conscience tells them it is right to do it.
SAI: It is not that way. When such things occur, it is because the individual has surrendered his judgment to someone else, or to an idea propagated by someone. If the person were to reject ideas and rely upon himself, his conscience, even though deeply buried, would be there to prompt the person; for Conscience is God, Resident in the person.
H: Throughout the world, crime is growing rapidly. But in America, there is doubt about how to deal with criminals. How should criminals be dealt with?
SAI: There must be punishment. In areas of the Middle East, for example, if a person commits the crime of theft, the hand is cut off. When a person commits a crime, punishment must follow.
H: Swami has said that the entire world will know of His presence. At this time only a relatively few people know of Sai. As of now only local individuals represent Him, and they do not draw the attention of people of substance and importance throughout the world.
SAI: Sai does not look at status and worldly importance. He looks at the heart.
H: Yes, Swami, but it is the leaders in society who tend arouse the attention and interest of the general population.
SAI: Sai does not force such things. He will be in body for many more years. What you refer to will develop naturally. Devotees of world stature, able to speak of Sai, will be present when the time is correct for them.
(To be continued...)
– Heart2Heart Team
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